ADSB out required airspace

[Aeromot]

I might just be a coincidence, but so far this year (yeah, the last 5 days), I have twice been flying VFR under the LAX Class B airspace and was told without asking that I was cleared to climb into Class B if I wanted to. In the previous 35 years of flying in the same place and direction, that has happened exactly once. ADS-B is the only change I can think of.

 

[Activeair]

One thing to keep in mind is this new AIM guidance (slide is from a 12/10 discussion with ATC on AOPA Live).

A good example ... you are using VFR flight following and routed yourself to avoid ads-b ruled airspace ... ATC suggests a new heading (maybe to avoid traffic or even a short cut) ... if that takes you into the ads-b airspace its our responsibility as pilots to advise them per below.

This is good to know. Had this come up yesterday, and did not know that I could accept that clearance, although, I had informed ATC that I was not ADSB equipped. Yesterday, had to fly around the rule air spaces while dealing with crazy winds and very moderate turbulence near certain terrain and also landing airliner traffic. The controllers were very worked in some areas.

Looking forward to being equipped as yesterday was not fun. I wonder how many crashes will result in circumstances like mine yesterday, but where the weather or something else is more of a problem to safety. Love my TIS. Not real happy to spend even more $ for ADSB. I guess I will like it once I have it.

 

[Activeair]

So, what is unclear is;
1. Is it ok to fly under Class B airspace that is outside of the 30 mile mode C veil? See LAX Class B airspace to the east
2. Is the 3,000' ceiling, within 12 miles off the coast of US, only applicable over the Gulf of Mexico or along all coasts of the US, (i.e. the California and Atlantic Coast)

 

[Aeromot]

I believe that the answer to both questions is "yes." Of course, since we've installed ADS-B Out, I don't need to worry about such details.

 

[midlifeflyer]

So, what is unclear is;
1. Is it ok to fly under Class B airspace that is outside of the 30 mile mode C veil? See LAX Class B airspace to the east
2. Is the 3,000' ceiling, within 12 miles off the coast of US, only applicable over the Gulf of Mexico or along all coasts of the US, (i.e. the California and Atlantic Coast)

1. Yes, you can.
2. Yes, it is only for the Gulf of Mexico.

"unclear" depends more on the receiver than the sender.

The language about Class B (and C) outside the veil definitely could have been written better (it's actually pretty awful but I kind of understand why) , but the FAA has clarified it a number of times.

The regulatory language of the Gulf of Mexico part is "Class E airspace at and above 3,000 feet MSL over the Gulf of Mexico from the coastline of the United States out to 12 nautical miles." Is that unclear?

 

[Cap'n Ron]

So, what is unclear is;
1. Is it ok to fly under Class B airspace that is outside of the 30 mile mode C veil? See LAX Class B airspace to the east

Yes. See 91.225(d). You need it in or above Bravo, and inside the Mode C veil, but not underneath outside the veil.

2. Is the 3,000' ceiling, within 12 miles off the coast of US, only applicable over the Gulf of Mexico or along all coasts of the US, (i.e. the California and Atlantic Coast)

Per 91.225(d)(5), that requirement applies only over the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[Activeair]

1. Yes, you can.
2. Yes, it is only for the Gulf of Mexico.

"unclear" depends more on the receiver than the sender.

The language about Class B (and C) outside the veil definitely could have been written better (it's actually pretty awful but I kind of understand why) , but the FAA has clarified it a number of times.

The regulatory language of the Gulf of Mexico part is "Class E airspace at and above 3,000 feet MSL over the Gulf of Mexico from the coastline of the United States out to 12 nautical miles." Is that unclear?

Not really, but just wanted another opinion to check my own receiver's perception, and was hoping you would respond.... I figured it was only referencing the GoM, since it said "and". Thanks for the reply.

 

[Activeair]

I believe that the answer to both questions is "yes." Of course, since we've installed ADS-B Out, I don't need to worry about such details.

Install is delayed...grrr. Still need to fly.

 

[Aeromot]

Ted Cruz ADS-B Bill Moves to a Vote

ROTOR Act would expand surveillance standards, limit military exemptions, and tie into broader FAA initiatives under the Cruz ADS-B proposal.

avweb.com

 

[MDreger]

"The measure would direct the FAA to issue rules within two years mandating ADS-B In where ADS-B Out is already required,"

I wonder if current methods, iPads, etc. would fulfill this requirement, or if we'd have to have certified, permanently installed equipment?

 

[Brian]

Given the speed with which the FAA has tended to move on things like this, I'm not terribly worried.

 

[Cap'n Ron]

"The measure would direct the FAA to issue rules within two years mandating ADS-B In where ADS-B Out is already required,"

I wonder if current methods, iPads, etc. would fulfill this requirement, or if we'd have to have certified, permanently installed equipment?

That's mentioned in the article -- the proposed legislation leaves it to the FAA to decide. I'd rather Congress tell the FAA that portable is OK because I think it too likely the FAA will mandate certified, installed equipment if left to their own devices.