Aeromot
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If you were banned on one airline, you'd be banned on all of them...in the UK.
National no-fly list proposed
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I agree with the jist of that, but the devil's in the details. Due process and the level of corruption varies from one country to the next. A traveler refuses to pay a fee/bribe in country X, the agent puts them on the list and that traveler is banned from all the other countries. They'll need enforceable standards to prevent that kind of abuse.
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What is the current situation? Say you disrupted a United flight. Does United have the option to ban you from their airline?
If so, I'm strongly against federalizing yet another civil function which should be left up to the affected private entities.
If so, I'm strongly against federalizing yet another civil function which should be left up to the affected private entities.
Yes. However, you can then walk over to the American or Delta counter and jump on another flight. I'm not sure that's what we want.
Unfortunately, I suspect leaving it up to the individual airlines to share ban information has the potential to create legal anti-trust issues. Better, I think, to create a unified Federal bad actors no-fly list just like the anti-terrorist one.
Domenick
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And if they cause a ruckus on American or Delta, those airlines can ban them
How many of you trust the current administration to NOT abuse its power?
How many of you trust the next administration to NOT abuse its power?
How many of you trust any administration to not put its political enemies on a National No-Fly list?"
For example:
DHS and TSA Expose Targeting of Political Opponents by Former Biden Administration Officials, Refers Case to Congress & Justice Department | Transportation Security Administration
WASHINGTON — Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced the results of an internal investigation uncovering widespread abuses committed by Biden administration officials, who weaponized the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) against innocent American citizens.
How many airline flights are you willing to let a known bad actor disrupt and compromise safety before you clip their wings completely? I say safety comes first. And as I noted above, there is already a national no-fly list based on intel/security assessments. Don't you think people who disrupt flights and threaten lives should for their actual behavior (not just a intel-based threat assessment) be added to that list?
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So you are willing to give the current Trump administration that kind of power?
And in answer to your question: As many chances as there are airlines willing to give them a chance. I believe the government is a greater public danger than a single bad actor on a plane.
Cap'n Ron said:
Unfortunately, I suspect leaving it up to the individual airlines to share ban information has the potential to create legal anti-trust issues. Better, I think, to create a unified Federal bad actors no-fly list just like the anti-terrorist one.
The government has given many private enterprises antitrust exemptions.
See: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...hensive-list-antitrust-exemptions-immunities/
So, give the same protection to the airlines to share bad actor IDs. The airlines can decide for themselves whether to place those folks on their own no-fly lists.
And in answer to your question: As many chances as there are airlines willing to give them a chance. I believe the government is a greater public danger than a single bad actor on a plane.
Cap'n Ron said:
Unfortunately, I suspect leaving it up to the individual airlines to share ban information has the potential to create legal anti-trust issues. Better, I think, to create a unified Federal bad actors no-fly list just like the anti-terrorist one.
The government has given many private enterprises antitrust exemptions.
See: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...hensive-list-antitrust-exemptions-immunities/
So, give the same protection to the airlines to share bad actor IDs. The airlines can decide for themselves whether to place those folks on their own no-fly lists.
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That's a good suggestion.
Aeromot
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The downside is that you doom people who ride trains and buses to facing even more time with these clowns.
The driver can pull over and stop. Pilots can't.