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Onboard Oxygen Questions

farmerflier

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Never had it before, but the 182 Turbo comes with it standard.
Does the bottle just come out easily?
Thus allowing me to take it somewhere that sells compressed oxygen, and have it filled?
Cost?
Does it last hours if 2 people using it?
Questions I have, knowledge on topic is zilch.
 
Here's a good place to start:

 
As an aside, the search function here (top right of every page) really sucks if you use short, common words. Search for "fly" and you'll get a message saying it's too short to search for. But it works well with longer words, so searching for "oxygen" will bring up lots of results. :)
 
The built-in oxygen system that I had in my 210 was filled through a port in the airplane instead of removing the tank to fill it. When the tank failed to to pass inspection. I replaced it with a portable tank. The built-in tank was old and corroded and looked like it should be replaced.

Finding an FBO with fully charged, oxygen tanks to fill your bottles to the maximum was often difficult, and often expensive -- sometimes over $100. For about the same cost as one fill of my onboard oxygen bottle, I bought a rig to fill my bottles at home, which is simple and easy and vastly cheaper than having it filled by an FBO. An advantage to filling your own bottles is that if you are just out of certification or are about to be during your flight, you can still fill them.

Using oxygen allows me to arrive feeling fresher and more alert, improves night vision, and of course, allows you to fly higher. There are various devices, like the Oxy Miser, that will extend the time that the bottle can be used during flight.

You should also know that any type of breathing oxygen or welding oxygen is legal and useful in your plane. You do not have to buy aviator's breathing oxygen, and there is no reason to do so.
 
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It’s timely, Dr. Brent Blue was just on the Sporty’s podcast discussing the 12.5/14 rules. He had some interesting ideas about basing oxygen more off of baseline pulse oximeter readings.

He also shared an anecdote explaining why there used to be a difference in aviation vs medical oxygen, but his conclusion matches above. Today, bottled oxygen is bottled oxygen.

 
Lots of great advice, thanks.

If I buy a 182 with built in oxygen, was considering also purchasing a Devilbiss oxygen concentrator pump to slowly fill.
 
So, how do you calculate how much oxygen you need for a given flight?

Nobody knows.

 
Go to a welding shop or a medical supply shop and BUY outright the biggest Aluminum cylinder you can- a Super "D" or 50 cu. ft. Why? Because a fill of the smallest compared to the biggest runs the $18.00 up to $30.00. Getting the fill is the inconvenience.

Buy a stepdown regulator (welding type) for ~$40 and put it on top. Buy an 8 foot piece of 80 PSI hose and the appropriate CGA 540 fittings (or have the shop do it for you) and run from the end of the stepdown regulator to another CGA 540 fitting. At this end, buy a Skyox regulator and install it. The Skyox regulator is expensive ($200) but is a precision machined device that automatically doubles flow if two are plugged in, triples for three, etc. It doesn't leak and it's near bulletproof (piston, not diagphram based).

Now you have a tank strapped down in the baggage compartment, and complete control in between the PIC seats.

This way you have 1) huge O2 supply, = 30 man hours at 18,000 on cannulas e.g, more than you have fuel, and on some trips you will be able to make the return w/o a refill.

Fill it at your local welding shop. Yes, I know all about ABO, but they all come from the same 25,000 gallon tank. Even medical oxygen, too.

I carry two such tanks. That's O2 for six at 17,000 MSL for 6 hours, and enoguh to get back when the FBO wants $130 for a fill.....fill at the welding co. run about $$20 since I published the above. Label the take "oxygen USP". It'll come from the same tank that dispenses ABO. Seriously.

That tiny little timed-out-need hydrostatic tank likely won't pass and will cost beaucoup $$s to repalce.
 
Has anybody used an oxygen concentrator for flying?


 
Has anybody used an oxygen concentrator for flying?


I bought a cheap one from Temu, about $200. I'm older and sensitive to reduced oxygen at levels as low as 7500 feet. I prefer flying higher so I use it on most flights. I use a good oximeter as well, though that might be overkill for the lower altitudes .

There is no question my head is clearer and I'm just more alert when using it.

It's USB rechargeable so it only lasts for about 2 hours which is about my typical flight these days.

I really like it and wish to help I had bought one for my coast to coast and back trip a couple of years ago. It would have helped me in more ways than one.

If your young and healthy this won't produce enough O2 to help you into the teens. But for an old fart flying between 7500 and 9500 it works out very well

I'm guessing the higher capacity ones could probably help on the lower teens.
 
I bought a cheap one from Temu, about $200. I'm older and sensitive to reduced oxygen at levels as low as 7500 feet. I prefer flying higher so I use it on most flights. I use a good oximeter as well, though that might be overkill for the lower altitudes .

There is no question my head is clearer and I'm just more alert when using it.

It's USB rechargeable so it only lasts for about 2 hours which is about my typical flight these days.

I really like it and wish to help I had bought one for my coast to coast and back trip a couple of years ago. It would have helped me in more ways than one.

If your young and healthy this won't produce enough O2 to help you into the teens. But for an old fart flying between 7500 and 9500 it works out very well

I'm guessing the higher capacity ones could probably help on the lower teens.
$200?? Which one if you don't mind me asking? If it has a USB port could you plug in a power bank and extend the usability time? Heck, I'd get one of those in a heartbeat if it worked below 10,000'!
 
I did a little AI assisted research and it seems like the TEMU units I found advertised had a 30% O2 rating, which is far less than what would be considered useful between 7,000-10,000'. TEMU Portable Concentrator

Oxygen tanks deliver >90% O2 by comparison. I have a small tank in my car that I want to get filled at a gas warehouse. I'd like to exchange it for a slightly larger tank if they'd let me. Fortunately I have a regulator and cannula already.
 
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